Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 02:38PM
Short-Sale Observations
I've been more involved lately representing buyers trying to purchase a short sale.
What a fiasco. Let's put it in perspective:
Out of the 18,862 active listings of attached and detached homes on the MLS today, 6,757 of them, or 36%, are marked as needing lender or court approval. There might be 100 that are probates, so the remainder are short sales.
There are probably another 5,000 that should have marked the box too.
If you are considering buying a house these days, you're going to run into short sale listings - they are everywhere.
Here are some observations:
1. There is no playbook - we're making up this short-sale stuff as we go. A point that needs to be addressed in each listing office is what to do with offers when they come in. I'm not talking about the one I sent in on Sunday that still hasn't been presented, and the "short-sale manager" is now gone until next Wednesday. That's another topic, about how unmotivated staff people are to process these promptly.
Here's the dilemma - the seller owns the house, but the bank is the decision-maker. Listing agents who don't have the bank's approval yet are prone to send in to the bank all of the offers received, and let them decide - afterall, it's their decision. But while the offers sit in a pile for months, buyers are giving up within days or weeks, and by the time the bank gets to them, there are no buyers left.
What doesn't occur to the listing agent is that buyers aren't very motivated to stick around when they are just one of the pack, and can be continuously shopped - and beaten out with no notice. The listing agent should have the seller accept the best offer in an attempt to keep the best buyer more interested in sticking around to the finish.
When representing a buyer, I want my offer signed by the seller, acknowledging that as long as the bank approves, we get the house. We're not going to offer as much, and we're not going to wait around for months, unless it's worth the wait - sign my deal, or no deal.
2. There is a wealth of opportunity in picking up the scraps left by restless buyers. I'd guess the average buyer is willing to wait 2-4 weeks to find out if they bought a house, after that, it's too easy to get bored and/or find a better deal.
But how many bank approvals happen in 2-4 weeks? Maybe one out of five. But think of the advantages to the second buyer:
a. The financial package has already been submitted, so there's a head start.
b. Plus you'll have a cleaner shot at buying without competing buyers mucking up your lowball bid.
From the listing agent's perspective, selling a short sale is hard enough - having to re-engerize it once the first buyer bails takes a miracle. A good place for buyers to look for deals though.
3. A primary goal is to take advantage of the existing lender. Lenders are using automated appraisals, which don't always recognize all of the benefits like a good view. They'll send a regular appraiser out too, but if the house is in an area where there are lower sales prices nearby, or no sales at all, then the automated appraisal could be your friend. If the bank's decision-maker is motivated to move some property and sees a low automated appraisal to use to justify taking a lowball offer, it might be just enough to make the deal.
4. Another opportunity is a realtor selling their own house. They usually have all the extras, and because the lenders are paying commissions, it's a chance for them to actually make money.
5. You have to find a listing agent who knows the game. Short sales are a chance for the listing agent to earn a commission, that's it. The seller has little or no benefit, and the lenders don't care either. I just had one who counter-offered 6% higher than the offer I submitted, after I told him there was no way we'd do it. What is he thinking?? I tried to tell him that my offer was a great offer - why? Because it's an offer! The alternative is no offers, and no commission.
If you consider sending some dough to the seller outside of the transaction to help grease the deal, I could see the logic - wasn't that on the Sopranos? But it could backfire on you pretty easily, so I wouldn't recommend it.
6. There is another "investment-opportunity" forming. People with money, or access to it, are finding delinquent sellers with nothing more to lose, and offering to buy their house based on a super-lowball offer to the lender. If successful, they then flip the property, and share in the winnings. If the existing lender can be talked into giving away a property, then that's their problem, I guess. The lenders with high workloads and weaker employees & systems would be very susceptible, especially around the end of the year.
Add these folks to the investors buying at the trustee sales, and we're going to see many more flippers trying to beat the odds.
Speaking of trustee sales, I did verify that the IRS has a 120-day redemption period. If you buy a house at the court house steps, don't be installing a pool or any other big-ticket item in the first 120 days. if they confiscate the house, the IRS will return your purchase money, but that's it.


Reader Comments (8)
"There are probably another 5,000 that should have marked the box too."
I think this means the listing prices for these additional 5000 are fantasy (or what you realtor(R) types call a steak dinner closing), and the realistic selling prices are in "short" territory?
Don't any sellers have any money to cover the shortfall, especially if only a marginal difference? Do they refuse to pay even if they have the money, because they view this as a waste (even though it would save their credit)?
I love you (figuratively) for this post.
Thanks for re-invigorating me about my plan to low-ball offer (a reasonable justifiable low-ball offer mind you) for my new home in San Diego.
I especially like that I have time on my side (not needing to move; but wanting to move). Seems once I get my financing in order I will have a few advantages. How fun! I am excited.
Thanks again Jim for your apparently honest approach to real estate and for taking the time to run this blog. I much appreciate it.
Seems like a LOT of anxiety and trouble...not sure I'm of the mind to play in this game yet.
Every story I hear about short sales is the one that never gets responded to; never happens. My sense has been that most banks just take too long to work through the process (or are just completely unprepared to do it) so they just fiddle around until they get it back on the courthouse steps. And even then, it takes them so long to get around to actually marketing/selling it.
Is there any information about how many REOs --the ones the banks have legally taken back--actually get sold again to third parties? And the average number of days from the time the banks actually take possession before they actually sell them?
My sense, again from stories I hear, not from experience, is that we're talking many months here. And that's not even counting all the months that the owner has been trying to "short sell" it unsuccessfully, while waiting for the bank to take it away.
CM emailed me to mention the difficulty of posting, and you may have sensed my frustration in dealing with the current blog host.
I have committed to changing over to Blue Host/Wordpress, hang in there!
In short sales, it seems to me that the advantages an all cash buyer should have in the REO context is minimized. As an all cash buyer, you want to get the property at least at a 15% plus discount, and it seems the tendancy of listing agents is to try over a relatively long time to get the highest priced offer they can to shop to the lender, even if that includes FHA financing. The lender in a short sale situation would probably have less concern if the financing contingency fails than in an REO.
Also, if a lender was inclined to accept a short sale at a discount, why wouldn't they just encourage the seller to go with the new FHA program that is supposed to kick in begining October 1st instead?
As a cash buyer who wants to pick up properties at a substantial discount from retail value, how does one address the sense that the listing agent is just going to use your offer to try to get a better one to take to the lender? Jim, if you had an all cash buyer on a short sale, what assurances and info would you want from the listing agent to keep your buyer interested?
As a buyer, how can you get a read on whether a lender with high workloads and weaker employees can be exploited?
I love those that tout "short sale approved, ready to close", except that the price is still too high. Shouldn't the banks take a clue from the actual offers they receive, rather than deciding in their little conference room how much they want to make on it & wasting the rest of the selling season sitting on that unrealistic price?
I've been in the short sale game for a while in the area I'm looking, because that's the majority of what's on the market. I've put in a few short sale offers that simply disappear into a black hole and are never heard from again. I am now attaching the short sale addendum which puts a time limit on the bank to respond. Since the percentage of short sales that are actually successful is so low, it almost begs the question why have short sales at all unless the system is rehauled for a faster turnaround
I've made several offers on short sales this summer. One of them back in June that I had forgotten about. The property had two offers that were much higher than mine. They were also above the asking price. Those offers failed to get financing. Mine was the only one left. The seller's agent notified my agent today that it will be accepted by the bank in writing by next Tuesday.
It will have been about three months since my offer was submitted until escrow is opened.